Use Nested Divinations To Improve Accuracy
by Gordon • • Magic • 14 Comments

Torino this time last year. Home of Lo Scarabeo and a good town to boot. Best Negroni of my life there.
Blame the wonderful Balthazar and the addictiveness of Amazon Prime in equal measure.
There’s a Lovecraftian Tarot deck that’s actually good and I don’t own it?! (Already have and like this one.)
Plus it’s a Lo Scarabeo production whose aesthetic I adore? Well, this won’t do! So I promptly bought and calibrated the Dark Grimoire Tarot.
And it’s good. In a lot of ways it’s just what the doctor ordered. There has been a hole in my ‘glass half empty’ card sets for a while.
Let me explain.
You will have no doubt noticed that certain oracle systems -and this post is strictly concerned with the cartomantic- have an emotional range.
Some are so irrepressibly positive as to be completely useless. *cough* DoreenVirtue’sangeloracleandeveryotheroracleshehasproduced *cough* Some -like certain versions of Sibilla- are too paranoid to suit every day situations. (Everyone’s always getting stolen from or being stabbed in the street or receiving a shocking letter from a lawyer about a conniving, elderly relative in the countryside.)
Calculating the emotional range of your oracle
We can potentially -just for the fuck of it- come close to a system of measurement for oracular emotional range whereby the Rider-Waite deck is attributed a value of zero. Thus Crowley’s Thoth deck would have a value of +1 Rider. (I find it more expansive and hence slightly more positive. Also the minor arcana aren’t as barren.)
The benefit of oracle systems having an emotional range is it allows you to match one to a the relevant situation at hand. For ‘default’ readings, you are obviously best served by using an emotionally ‘balanced’ deck. What I loathe about a lot of the Doreen Virtue-esque decks is they don’t have a single ‘no’ card, let alone a ‘fuck no, you absolute mentalist!’ card. How are you supposed to drive a car without a brake??
Here are some of my most regularly used decks from most ‘negative’ to most ‘positive’:
- Dark Grimoire Tarot. (Okay, it’s new but this is where it goes.) -4R
- Fallen Angel Oracle Cards -3R
- Necronomicon Tarot -3R
- Sibilla 1 -1R
- Sibilla 2 (My handmade Florentine deck is slightly more positive) -1R
- Arthurian Tarot (My default deck. Been using the same one for fifteen years.) +1R
- Wisdom Of The Four Winds (This one is for the kiwis out there which I guess is… what… Nick?) +2R
- Faeries Oracle. (Don’t judge me, dammit. It always gives me really accurate readings.) +3R
You’re free to disagree or move certain things around. As ever, I’d really appreciate your input. The important thing is that you have an understanding of the emotional range of your regular oracles for what happens next.
Switching oracles
Some cards you will be so familiar with that when they appear in a spread you know they’re of sufficient complexity and meaning that it warrants further examination.
For instance in my most-used deck, the Eight of Swords; Guenevere at the Stake; means a very specific kind of malicious gossip with the unashamed motive of fucking with the querent’s life.
They will be different for you but there will still be certain points in the reading that you know warrant further explanation. You owe it to the querent -whether the card is good or bad- to go deeper.
A lot of books will tell you to pull more cards from the deck as a ‘further explanation’ of the context of a particular placement.
There’s some risk in this approach. Essentially you’re asking the universe to send you another complete email except that you have now removed ten or twelve keys from Her keyboard.
So it’s probably best to make the call as to whether the issue raised by the card warrants a full ‘reboot’ using the current deck or whether you need to ‘nest’ your divination.
In the case of the Eight of Swords I drop down to one of the Sibilla decks as it’s absolutely the best tool for getting a clear picture of malicious gossip and backstabbing.
Nested divinations
Nested divinations involve scaling up or down on the Rider scale depending on the quality of the card you are using as your entry point.
For me at least they seem to work best if your nested spread involves less cards than your originating spread. (I pretty much use the Celtic Cross for everything due mostly to laziness/expedience, and a five to seven card spread for secondary readings.) If you do ‘full’ spreads for nested divinations you run the risk of overly complicating rather than clarifying things. Plus, if you’re new, you already have a tendency to throw repeated spreads until you get the answer you want.
Typically you’re likely to only jump down one Rider or two, but again this is dependent on your entry card. Some of the oracles beyond -2R relate to finding ‘treasure’ and such. Conceivably that would jump you to an extremely positive deck.
Conclusion
It’s a common observation among magical folk that it’s always difficult to choose which oracle system to go with as we all (admit it) have an unstoppable addiction to acquiring more and more of them. (Because they’re awesome.)
Nesting your divinations goes some way to alleviating that anxiety of choice:
- Pick an oracle system with a balanced emotional range that you feel comfortable with or drawn to.
- Move up and down the Riders in decreasing spread sizes depending on which cards throw up an entry point.
Granted this is a little unwieldy if you are reading professionally. In most cases I’d suggest finishing the initial spread and going for a quick reboot. But if it’s either for you or a situation with less time pressure then nesting really is the way to go.


Thanks for sharing this, I found the concept of ‘emotional range’ really interesting. I’ve used an Oswald Wirth deck for almost 30 years, & have always felt that the meaning of the cards would be the same regardless of what deck it was. I’ve very occasionaly tried other decks & kinda feel like I’m cheating
I normally start out with an 11 card Celtic Cross, then reshuffle the whole deck & scale up to a 21 card reading to elaborate or clarify, then a quick 6 place rune reading to summarise.
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Yeah for me the idea sorta emerged from trying to work out why certain oracle systems were so much shitter than others.
At first I thought it was the lack of ‘no’/negative cards… but then some other systems have WAY too many… as if your life is about to tip completely into crisis and never recover.
Hence, for me at least, it’s best to start with one that can do both reasonably well and then slide up or down depending on the reading.
Call it the Goldilocks approach!
(I should have called it the Goldilocks approach.)
Housewives Tarot works best for me (quelle surprise!) and we just picked up a sibillia style deck that I’m looking forward to using. I find that I do read best with decks that aren’t meant to be reversed for whatever reason and I tend to do a three card reading or five card reading and then nest if needed. I want to get a deeper relationship with my deck and I have a few books on my to-be-read list.
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I cantered around the World of Decks for quite a while, but eventually came back to the R-W. Probably, “78 Degrees of Wisdom” had a lot to do with that.
I stick with the Celtic Cross; if confusion results, I pull a Work Spread without picking up the first. I might have to give the Gordon Method a go, however, for myself before I try it on my clients.
Fabulous to hear that you are enjoying the DGT too. Loving the nested spreads approach!
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I love this approach and the emotional value decks have. I have several decks which I go back to time and again, at the moment it’s the Vanessa tarot. Ultimately though I go with my mood and there are times when a darker deck just suits.
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As a professional card reader, I have noticed this same dynamic. It’s one reason that I usually recommend the Rider deck to people interested in learning to read cards. One of the biggest inherent dangers in divination is getting too worked up about “good” or “bad” outcomes. The Rider-Waite is boring but blessedly neutral.
Also — I will leap to your defense on using the Faeries’ Oracle. It’s the only non-Tarot oracle deck I’ve ever seen that works as well as the Tarot.
@Anna agreed. It’s like off-season training in preparation for the real sport.
Just discovered/remembered I have a Fantod pack. Edward Gorey at about -37R. It’s a scream.
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I’ve found using a geomantic chart balanced by a three or four card tarot spread makes for an extremely balanced reading. It gets to all the mundane no-nonsense details of a situation (geomancy), and sheds light on the mental/emotional/spiritual impacts (tarot).
And while I agree that Doreen Virtue’s decks are irrepressibly positive, and some (if not most of them) are fairly useless that for questions that are really based purely on matters of spiritual development, or when you need some affirmative energies in an oracle – doing a 3 card spread of her Goddess Oracle Deck(brings a very feminine-intuitive Self energy) balanced against a 3 card spread of her Ascended Masters Deck (brings a more linear/logical-masculine energy) actually makes for some compelling oracular guidance.
In some cases where a client has a very gentle &/or fragile nature, I will even pull some of those Virtue cards to counter-balance the tough love of other oracles such as tarot and put a very positive and uplifting spin. It usually works beautifully.
But – I grabbed her Archangel Raphael Healing deck to possibly use in my healing practice, and found it unusable. I’m not kidding here…no less than 6 cards actually had pictures of angels riding unicorns. I threw up a little in my mouth.
Curious – would emotional range also apply for people who read playing cards?
@Ro Hmmm… in theory yes, however the images are fairly standardised so it would be difficult to get enough variation to demonstrate emotional range.
Of course, playing card divination could technically fit in a wider divinatory range… as could runes and everything else. But that’s a wider discussion.
I really have to try this. I have the problem of hitting “goo” when I try to nest divinations based on trying to discover the meaning of a single card… plus it gives me a much-needed excuse to finally pick up the Fallen Angel Oracle cards, so there’s that.
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